It looked very promising. they even promoted it on the show "Futureweapons."
It seemed very effective at stopping everything and keeping you in one piece. Why did the military ditch it?
Dragon Skin Armor?
Failed a number of tests the military / DOD did on them, the system is still in review.
Vet-USAF
Reply:I saw an "investigative journaling" piece on this. From what it said, it sounds like corruption in the gov' t is preventing it from being used even though it is more effective than the current bullet proof vest our soldiers use in Iraq. Supposedly that is.
The gov't says it failed some tests, but they performed some tests side by side a vest used in Iraq and it did way better.
No one has really dug any deeper than that (not that I know of) so I can't really give you a conclusive answer.
Reply:according to Army Times, they say that in extreme hot conditions (Iraq), the kevlar plates tend to fall out of place and pile up on the bottom of the shell. I saw that future weapons too, and it made dragon skin look very good.
We do need better body armor, at least a lighter kind, but just as effective that lets you have a full range of motion.
Reply:to expensive for the army and yet specail forces still use it so u can't say it failed
Reply:what we need is a vest made of black holes so bullets get sucked into it...
Reply:Nasty story. The DoD claims it's flawed and
Pinnacle made fraudulent tests. Pinnacle
claims just the same about the DoD tests.
The thing's fishy no matter from what side
you see it.
Reply:the maker didnt pay off the right people
Reply:I have used them, There is nothing wrong with them save for the fact that they are really really expensive. Hence not viable for the infantrymen. It is all about $$$.
Reply:I saw that too. looks very cool, but is it cost effective? I think that is the main concern
Also, it sounds like the material isn't as safe as futureweapons has you believe. It failed multiple tests and has some problems around diesel fuel...
Reply:Dragonskin did better on some tests then Interceptor, but Interceptor scored better in all around tests. For example, in temperate environment, Dragonskin did better, but in 130 degree heat (like in Iraq) Interceptor did better, because the scales used in Dragonskin didn't stay in place in that kind of heat.
So for a police officer in Virginia, Dragonskin may be better, but for a soldier in Iraq, Interceptor is better.
Reply:THe problems with Dragon Skin seem obvious to me.
IT may be a superior product IF the incoming rounds always come in straight on and on a flat trajectory.
The disks overlap. There must be angles at which the armor can be hit the will allow the round to shove aside the disk and pass through.
Even so, the failure of any one disk, whether knocked aside, poorly placed, or failure of hte epoxy that holds it, will result, because of the overlap, in a vulnerabilty far larger than just the area the size of the disk.
And there is plenty of evidence that the epoxy does fail under extreme temps. While I was in Kandahar we experienced temps of 130 F and in Kabul -20 F.
Sorry. DragonSkin is an interesting concept, worthy of further development, but not of production for issue.
Reply:personally I just think that it has to do with money or some general not wanting to change his mind. The man that invented the armor that the US military uses now personally came out and endorsed dragon skin saying that it was better then his armor and still the military denied it. Probably the same reason we went with the M16 A-1 in Vietnam, it was a piece of junk and no one like it (the M16 A-4 is much better thank god) but we still used it, someone somewhere is making lots of money. Personally I use Extreme Body armor level 3A for my job, not as good as dragon skin but hey i work for an armored truck company now I don't see myself assaulting anymore buildings.
Reply:It is a constant battle between body armor and rounds to penetrate it. (Same with tank armor.)
There never will be an armor that will forever be perfect and able to stop everything. Each time they upgrade the armor, the other side upgrades the ammo.
Look at the P90 and HK7. Both designed to fire rounds specifically made to penetrate body armor.
And if you can not kill the troops with bullets, you set off bombs along side the road.
Reply:It failed military tests. I'm not saying that the army doesn't buy shoddy equipment, but I don't think it's all that great anyway. Having studied midieval armor and weapons, scale and chain mail doesn't stop wounds, it just changes them from cuts and slashes to blunt trauma, which is why the knights went to plate mail in the first place.
Reply:Where are they getting the dragon skin?
Thursday, May 7, 2009
What do you think about the military restrictions on body armor? (dragon skin and others)?
I don't know about the NAVY they do allow some spicel ops teams to have there own body armor but why all the BS
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin...
I don't see the point ok maybe the hole we only trust government but if a solder wants fath in his own belives, things, and protection why not let them have it. and what do you think are the good and bads of this
What do you think about the military restrictions on body armor? (dragon skin and others)?
Dragon Skin hasn't passed Army Regulations.
It's technically not finished yet either.
It is no better than what we currently have. When Dragon Skin protects against AP rounds, please come back. Switching to Dragon Skin would not be cost effective and I don't blame them.
Also, if you notice on the Dragon Skin Videos... none of the shots were aimed. They were all over the place. A sniper can put 2 bullets through the same hole at over 500 yards. I am no sniper and I can put 3 5.56 rounds through the same hole at 25 yards.
Reply:The Military is not a Dempcracy..Dragon Skin and the others are NOT approved, therefore not regulation. Just as any job, if an item is NOT approved, it can not be used.
The Military is UNIFORM, so everyone gets the same,hence, GI Issue.
Reply:It's not about trust. Soldiers were often buying surplus body armor that had exceeded its shelf life as well as other items which were picked up from catalogs claiming levels of protection that were never tested. Also some items that soldiers had bought caused mobility issues. This put many soldiers at risk becuase they were putting their faith in items that actually had a higher chance of failing them than what they were being issued.
I don't agree either, but the safety factor couldn't be ignored.
Reply:SOCOM units have an open-ended budget. Line units do not. Anything without an NSN (National Stock Number) has to be special ordered, and this takes a lot out of unit funds. If it's personally owned gear, this takes a lot out of the servicemember's funds.
Let's say a set of Dragon Skin takes damage to its shell carrier to where it is no longer effective. The owner would have to send for a replacement from Pinnacle, which would take about two weeks or more through USPS Priority. The unit isn't going to pay for it now, is it?
If it was IBA on the other hand, the replacement would be on hand right away, in a matter of hours, depending on the installation; days at most.
And the whole point of testing is to ensure that the guys downrange don't pour money into snake oil that will get them killed. A lot of Army units give their guys enough freedom to configure mission-essential gear; personally owned pouches for the IBA, various upgrades and attachments for weapons.
When it comes to body armor however, there is no screwing around. You either use the issued stuff, or you use the issued stuff, if you're in the line. It's been tested, and approved. That's all there is to it.
Reply:Last I heard Dragon Skin did not make the cut and was not authorized for use by the military. MSA Paraclete makes high quality custom body armor used by SOF...
http://www.msafrontline.com/
Reply:its away to say that people r dying overthere and trying to use that as an excuse to keep fighting
Reply:The Army is currently testing Dragon skin right now. The TV show Future weapons tested Dragon skin by putting a live grenade under it. The grenade did cause major damage to the vest but there was no penetration, meaning if this was real, the wearer would be alive to tell the tail
Reply:I can see both sides here. From a military wife's stand point... I'd like to say, if my husband thinks some other type of body armor is going to keep him safer, then I think he should have it. However, on the practical stand point... his flak jacket has proven to be VERY efficient at what it does, and why mess with what you know works? Especially when it's issued, and you don't have to shell out any out of pocket expenses to get it?
Reply:Most spec ops do use their own choice of equipment. How ever, they have their own quality control and testing, before they actually send it to the field. All other body armor used by the US Military and DOD, are tested to military specifications. Actually, when I was in Iraq, it was very cumbersome, but after a while you get used to it, whether in the hot desert or not. I know of several cases where the spec ops people were killed using their own body armor and the regular conventional forces got the same bullet, and lived without a scratch. Also, we had a few spec ops that refused to wear Kevlar, and claimed that it would ot stop an AK-47, but we would get them at the aid station with shrapnel wounds to the head, but once again, the conventional soldiers that wore the Kevlar had minimal injuries, unless they were close to the blast, in which case no amount of Kevlar will protect you. In other words, I saw more people saved by the Military issue stuff than I did the spec op stuff. The military owns you and you wear what they tell you to.
Reply:Maybe because of the cost of production.
Reply:The U.S. military armor is a grade above dragonskin rounds. One guy was hit in his torso with an RPG round and it blew off his arms and legs but he and the armor survived. If he was wearing dragon skin armor, he would have died. Also dragonskin can be pierced with standard AP rounds.
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Skin...
I don't see the point ok maybe the hole we only trust government but if a solder wants fath in his own belives, things, and protection why not let them have it. and what do you think are the good and bads of this
What do you think about the military restrictions on body armor? (dragon skin and others)?
Dragon Skin hasn't passed Army Regulations.
It's technically not finished yet either.
It is no better than what we currently have. When Dragon Skin protects against AP rounds, please come back. Switching to Dragon Skin would not be cost effective and I don't blame them.
Also, if you notice on the Dragon Skin Videos... none of the shots were aimed. They were all over the place. A sniper can put 2 bullets through the same hole at over 500 yards. I am no sniper and I can put 3 5.56 rounds through the same hole at 25 yards.
Reply:The Military is not a Dempcracy..Dragon Skin and the others are NOT approved, therefore not regulation. Just as any job, if an item is NOT approved, it can not be used.
The Military is UNIFORM, so everyone gets the same,hence, GI Issue.
Reply:It's not about trust. Soldiers were often buying surplus body armor that had exceeded its shelf life as well as other items which were picked up from catalogs claiming levels of protection that were never tested. Also some items that soldiers had bought caused mobility issues. This put many soldiers at risk becuase they were putting their faith in items that actually had a higher chance of failing them than what they were being issued.
I don't agree either, but the safety factor couldn't be ignored.
Reply:SOCOM units have an open-ended budget. Line units do not. Anything without an NSN (National Stock Number) has to be special ordered, and this takes a lot out of unit funds. If it's personally owned gear, this takes a lot out of the servicemember's funds.
Let's say a set of Dragon Skin takes damage to its shell carrier to where it is no longer effective. The owner would have to send for a replacement from Pinnacle, which would take about two weeks or more through USPS Priority. The unit isn't going to pay for it now, is it?
If it was IBA on the other hand, the replacement would be on hand right away, in a matter of hours, depending on the installation; days at most.
And the whole point of testing is to ensure that the guys downrange don't pour money into snake oil that will get them killed. A lot of Army units give their guys enough freedom to configure mission-essential gear; personally owned pouches for the IBA, various upgrades and attachments for weapons.
When it comes to body armor however, there is no screwing around. You either use the issued stuff, or you use the issued stuff, if you're in the line. It's been tested, and approved. That's all there is to it.
Reply:Last I heard Dragon Skin did not make the cut and was not authorized for use by the military. MSA Paraclete makes high quality custom body armor used by SOF...
http://www.msafrontline.com/
Reply:its away to say that people r dying overthere and trying to use that as an excuse to keep fighting
Reply:The Army is currently testing Dragon skin right now. The TV show Future weapons tested Dragon skin by putting a live grenade under it. The grenade did cause major damage to the vest but there was no penetration, meaning if this was real, the wearer would be alive to tell the tail
Reply:I can see both sides here. From a military wife's stand point... I'd like to say, if my husband thinks some other type of body armor is going to keep him safer, then I think he should have it. However, on the practical stand point... his flak jacket has proven to be VERY efficient at what it does, and why mess with what you know works? Especially when it's issued, and you don't have to shell out any out of pocket expenses to get it?
Reply:Most spec ops do use their own choice of equipment. How ever, they have their own quality control and testing, before they actually send it to the field. All other body armor used by the US Military and DOD, are tested to military specifications. Actually, when I was in Iraq, it was very cumbersome, but after a while you get used to it, whether in the hot desert or not. I know of several cases where the spec ops people were killed using their own body armor and the regular conventional forces got the same bullet, and lived without a scratch. Also, we had a few spec ops that refused to wear Kevlar, and claimed that it would ot stop an AK-47, but we would get them at the aid station with shrapnel wounds to the head, but once again, the conventional soldiers that wore the Kevlar had minimal injuries, unless they were close to the blast, in which case no amount of Kevlar will protect you. In other words, I saw more people saved by the Military issue stuff than I did the spec op stuff. The military owns you and you wear what they tell you to.
Reply:Maybe because of the cost of production.
Reply:The U.S. military armor is a grade above dragonskin rounds. One guy was hit in his torso with an RPG round and it blew off his arms and legs but he and the armor survived. If he was wearing dragon skin armor, he would have died. Also dragonskin can be pierced with standard AP rounds.
Is the us military using "Dragon Skin" the armor in Iraq?
DRAGON SKIN ARMOR HAS SHOWN AMAZING RESULTS IN SHOOTING ACTION. WAS MADE IN FRESNO CALIFORNIA
Is the us military using "Dragon Skin" the armor in Iraq?
No. The stuff was tested by the Army and determined to be inferior to the current issue armor.
Reply:The military is using grade 4 armor and Dragon Scale is grade 3 (SWAT) armor. Not only does grade 4 armor stop bullets, but it seems to stop RPGs as well (one guy was hit square with an RPG which blew off his arms and legs, but he lived).
Is the us military using "Dragon Skin" the armor in Iraq?
No. The stuff was tested by the Army and determined to be inferior to the current issue armor.
Reply:The military is using grade 4 armor and Dragon Scale is grade 3 (SWAT) armor. Not only does grade 4 armor stop bullets, but it seems to stop RPGs as well (one guy was hit square with an RPG which blew off his arms and legs, but he lived).
Where can I buy Dragon Skin Body Armor?
Im deploying to Afganistan in April and the issue flaks arent worth crap, and I know the Dragon Skin is the top of the line armor.
Where can I buy Dragon Skin Body Armor?
Don't. Dragonskin armor was tested and it failed. Do not believe the marketing hype.
You are better off wearing the issued body armor. If you have good NCOs - they will order you not to wear the Dragonskin anyway.
Shut up. Sit down and listen to your NCOs.
Reply:SGLI is honored if you are wearing dragon skin... look it up. Report It
Reply:Do not buy Dragonskin. Last time I checked the Department of Defense will not honor your SGLI if you die while wearing it. They also can hold you liable under the UCMJ for article 92 and not pay for treatment of injuries recieved while wearing the armor as well. The interceptor vest is leaps and bounds of protection over a typical flak jacket. I trust the Defense Logistic Agency testing far more than the demonstrations on Future Weapons. Dragon skin just plainly did not hold up to long term wear under the extreme conditions we are seeing in combat.
Reply:Do some research junior, "Flak" vest have not been issued for over a decade now.
The Army has released safety messages stating the Dragon Skin does not meet safety requirements. From what I've heard, Dragon Skin does not work if the round comes in at a low angle...
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13...
Sorry junior, I'm Retired Army, been to Iraq three times and about half a dozen other Hostile Fire areas during my career...
Reply:Your saying the interceptor isn't worth a crap?
Your an idiot then or seriously inexperienced.
I have seen the issued vest stop 7.62x39mm cold with a SAPI plate in it and it was straight to the chest.
US troops are very well protected with the interceptor vest/Kevlar combo. If you put all the attachments on it you are completely protected from shrapnel, and your vital areas are protected from gunshot wounds.
Dragon Skin does well in tests and demonstrations set up by the company that makes it, however it is untested in battlefield conditions and has not passed DoD guidelines.
DoD guidelines for personal body armor are usually set up for very good reasons that you may or may not be aware of.
Of course....you could always do what members of the armed forces have done for years to increase their survivability that means training and proficientcy in your soldiering skills.
Do not rely on body armor to save yourself, rely on your skill and training and make sure your on the level.
Body armor is just a plus...you should feel lucky that you are so well equipped.
Reply:i know that when my husband was deployed just a few weeks ago...they issued him brand new gear. which you should get since you are going to Afghanistan. they issue one some parts that are dragon skin and some that is still flak body army. but i know that most of his uniform was dragon skin so whatever that guy said about your SGLI not honoring it...
he doesn't know what hes talking about. :D
Reply:Sorry to inform you........Per Army (and marine) REGS you can no longer equip yourself with non issue issue items. You and everyone else (not in the SOCOM community) are stuck with the boring old IBA and KPOT. Now private use and enjoyment is another story......
Reply:Remember, most items made under contract to the military are made by the LOWEST bidder, this is then reflected in the quality of the material used.
Reply:Though Dragon Skin looks like it is pretty good stuff the area in which it failed in was long exposure to heat. Testing by the DoD has shown that Dragon Skin will fail when used in extended periods of time in high temps, therefore the army at least has banned the use of Dragon Skin by soldiers. It would still be pretty good for law enforcement though. Also the issued IBA is plenty good enough protection especially when used with SAPI plates.
Reply:Try this site...
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/
The Army says that dragon skin failed testing...
Hell if I always listened to what the army told me I would be running around in my boxers...
Even the Ex-Marine who invented our now in use Interceptor vest admits that Dragon Skin is the better body armor available.
Qoute - "If they told me today that I was going to Iraq tomorrow and they asked me do you want an interceptor or dragon skin vest, I'd take the dragon skin"....
This coming from a marine!!!
So much for the whole discussion on what body armor is better..
Reply:Thats easy............ From the Dragon Skin body armor store , think there is one next to Halfords in Sevenoaks.
If not go to www.Dragon Skin body armor.com
Please !!!!!!!!!!
:0/
queen of the night
Where can I buy Dragon Skin Body Armor?
Don't. Dragonskin armor was tested and it failed. Do not believe the marketing hype.
You are better off wearing the issued body armor. If you have good NCOs - they will order you not to wear the Dragonskin anyway.
Shut up. Sit down and listen to your NCOs.
Reply:SGLI is honored if you are wearing dragon skin... look it up. Report It
Reply:Do not buy Dragonskin. Last time I checked the Department of Defense will not honor your SGLI if you die while wearing it. They also can hold you liable under the UCMJ for article 92 and not pay for treatment of injuries recieved while wearing the armor as well. The interceptor vest is leaps and bounds of protection over a typical flak jacket. I trust the Defense Logistic Agency testing far more than the demonstrations on Future Weapons. Dragon skin just plainly did not hold up to long term wear under the extreme conditions we are seeing in combat.
Reply:Do some research junior, "Flak" vest have not been issued for over a decade now.
The Army has released safety messages stating the Dragon Skin does not meet safety requirements. From what I've heard, Dragon Skin does not work if the round comes in at a low angle...
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13...
Sorry junior, I'm Retired Army, been to Iraq three times and about half a dozen other Hostile Fire areas during my career...
Reply:Your saying the interceptor isn't worth a crap?
Your an idiot then or seriously inexperienced.
I have seen the issued vest stop 7.62x39mm cold with a SAPI plate in it and it was straight to the chest.
US troops are very well protected with the interceptor vest/Kevlar combo. If you put all the attachments on it you are completely protected from shrapnel, and your vital areas are protected from gunshot wounds.
Dragon Skin does well in tests and demonstrations set up by the company that makes it, however it is untested in battlefield conditions and has not passed DoD guidelines.
DoD guidelines for personal body armor are usually set up for very good reasons that you may or may not be aware of.
Of course....you could always do what members of the armed forces have done for years to increase their survivability that means training and proficientcy in your soldiering skills.
Do not rely on body armor to save yourself, rely on your skill and training and make sure your on the level.
Body armor is just a plus...you should feel lucky that you are so well equipped.
Reply:i know that when my husband was deployed just a few weeks ago...they issued him brand new gear. which you should get since you are going to Afghanistan. they issue one some parts that are dragon skin and some that is still flak body army. but i know that most of his uniform was dragon skin so whatever that guy said about your SGLI not honoring it...
he doesn't know what hes talking about. :D
Reply:Sorry to inform you........Per Army (and marine) REGS you can no longer equip yourself with non issue issue items. You and everyone else (not in the SOCOM community) are stuck with the boring old IBA and KPOT. Now private use and enjoyment is another story......
Reply:Remember, most items made under contract to the military are made by the LOWEST bidder, this is then reflected in the quality of the material used.
Reply:Though Dragon Skin looks like it is pretty good stuff the area in which it failed in was long exposure to heat. Testing by the DoD has shown that Dragon Skin will fail when used in extended periods of time in high temps, therefore the army at least has banned the use of Dragon Skin by soldiers. It would still be pretty good for law enforcement though. Also the issued IBA is plenty good enough protection especially when used with SAPI plates.
Reply:Try this site...
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/
The Army says that dragon skin failed testing...
Hell if I always listened to what the army told me I would be running around in my boxers...
Even the Ex-Marine who invented our now in use Interceptor vest admits that Dragon Skin is the better body armor available.
Qoute - "If they told me today that I was going to Iraq tomorrow and they asked me do you want an interceptor or dragon skin vest, I'd take the dragon skin"....
This coming from a marine!!!
So much for the whole discussion on what body armor is better..
Reply:Thats easy............ From the Dragon Skin body armor store , think there is one next to Halfords in Sevenoaks.
If not go to www.Dragon Skin body armor.com
Please !!!!!!!!!!
:0/
queen of the night
Allan D. Bain Invented Dragon Skin?
I checked the research and according to Wikipedia Allan D. Bain was the inventor of Dragon Skin.
Allan D. Bain Invented Dragon Skin?
yes.
Allan D. Bain Invented Dragon Skin?
yes.
Did NBC test the Dragon Skin armor in conditions the Army said it failed?
I saw on NBC Dateline that they tested both Interceptor and Dragon Skin armor side by side. The Army said it failed in subzero and 120+ degree temps. I saw no mention of tests conducted by NBC or anyone else in the extreme conditions. It seems possible that adhesives could fail in those temp ranges.
Did NBC test the Dragon Skin armor in conditions the Army said it failed?
Dateline mentioned that they personally did not do those tests, but that the makers of Dragon Skin did. I'm not sure why they did an expose without following all the guidelines of the armies test.
It sounds like shoddy journalism to me. I would like to say that I am NOT negating their claims, it just would have been more convincing if they would have done more tests.
Reply:Put it this way, why would the special forces and contract soldiers all use dragon skin if it were bad like the army says. simple fact, they had a big contract with the other armor and corruption played a part yet again in not keeping our soldiers safe. I have a friend that is covert I will say it that way, and he says no doubt dragon skin is the best you can get. Calls the other stuff the fake armor. Talks about how happy he was when he went SF and he was going to get the real armor. money yet again... good ole greed.
Reply:Has anyone seen "Future Weapons" on the Discovery Channel. Now, while the armor might have failed the temperture tests the armor couldn't have failed the bullet tests. Unless the show was doctored, they showed that armor get pounded by tons of types of ammuntion. The final thing was shooting it with different rounds from different guns, from an automatic 9mm (not terribly impressive I know) all the way to some heavy duty armor piercing rounds. The final test was improvised by the show's host, who put the suit of armor on a dummy and had it lay on a grenade. They detonated the grenade and, sure enough, the armor did not breach through! Has someone else seen this episode, it makes me wonder whether the military is just too worried about spending the money on protecting its soldiers.
Keep in mind that the armor was destroyed, but it still protected the dummy...
Reply:im sry i didnt see that particular episode...but i saw an episode of 'mail call' where they tested dragon skin...
absolutely amazing...from 20 feet away they shot an automatic AK-47 and it withstood a full clip worth of bullets...
Reply:The Army is going to take it to the hill, the link below gives the Army's latest release.22/5/07
Reply:It has been proven in side by side tests that the Interceptor armor is superior to that of Dragon skin armor. It is more effective at stopping a wider array of ammunition more consistently. It provides superior "blast" protection from fragmentation. Though not as flexible, it is less bulky and weights 20 pounds less.
I find all this debate a little humorous in the fact that less than 10% of casualties have been caused by small arms and in most of those cases it wouldn't matter what body armor the soldier was wearing. If a blast can destroy a Bradley or Humvee any amount of body armor is not going to do much anyway and debating the minimal differences in these to armors is really more a political tool than anything else.
I have seen and worn both armors and prefer the Interceptor.
Reply:Neeno is right. Besides, Dragon Skin weighs 50 pounds.
How can you compare 2 things using different standards? I am not saying Dragon Skin is bad, but it is heavy and it does change its properties during extreme temperatures.
NBC did not do the test, by the way. Future Weapons and Mail Call did but the tests were simple and did not consider extreme conditions or angles.
Reply:No. First off, I'm not even convinced if they actually tested the correct vest. Dragon skin weighs in at 47 pounds, yet on the NBC test the lab guy slaps it up like its nothing. Also, they only fired on the vests from the front, where as army testing requires 2 shots to the front, back, and each side. Any failures results in a failed test. Dragon skin failed 13 times, Interceptor (current issue ) 0. NBC also has not released actual data, pictures yes, stunning videos yes, but no data that the NIJ and other governments would accept. No ammo data, testing procedures, where the fired on the vests (Dragon skin does not have its armor equally distributed it varies from 1-3 disks deep.), no nothing. Read my source for the army's testing.
Did NBC test the Dragon Skin armor in conditions the Army said it failed?
Dateline mentioned that they personally did not do those tests, but that the makers of Dragon Skin did. I'm not sure why they did an expose without following all the guidelines of the armies test.
It sounds like shoddy journalism to me. I would like to say that I am NOT negating their claims, it just would have been more convincing if they would have done more tests.
Reply:Put it this way, why would the special forces and contract soldiers all use dragon skin if it were bad like the army says. simple fact, they had a big contract with the other armor and corruption played a part yet again in not keeping our soldiers safe. I have a friend that is covert I will say it that way, and he says no doubt dragon skin is the best you can get. Calls the other stuff the fake armor. Talks about how happy he was when he went SF and he was going to get the real armor. money yet again... good ole greed.
Reply:Has anyone seen "Future Weapons" on the Discovery Channel. Now, while the armor might have failed the temperture tests the armor couldn't have failed the bullet tests. Unless the show was doctored, they showed that armor get pounded by tons of types of ammuntion. The final thing was shooting it with different rounds from different guns, from an automatic 9mm (not terribly impressive I know) all the way to some heavy duty armor piercing rounds. The final test was improvised by the show's host, who put the suit of armor on a dummy and had it lay on a grenade. They detonated the grenade and, sure enough, the armor did not breach through! Has someone else seen this episode, it makes me wonder whether the military is just too worried about spending the money on protecting its soldiers.
Keep in mind that the armor was destroyed, but it still protected the dummy...
Reply:im sry i didnt see that particular episode...but i saw an episode of 'mail call' where they tested dragon skin...
absolutely amazing...from 20 feet away they shot an automatic AK-47 and it withstood a full clip worth of bullets...
Reply:The Army is going to take it to the hill, the link below gives the Army's latest release.22/5/07
Reply:It has been proven in side by side tests that the Interceptor armor is superior to that of Dragon skin armor. It is more effective at stopping a wider array of ammunition more consistently. It provides superior "blast" protection from fragmentation. Though not as flexible, it is less bulky and weights 20 pounds less.
I find all this debate a little humorous in the fact that less than 10% of casualties have been caused by small arms and in most of those cases it wouldn't matter what body armor the soldier was wearing. If a blast can destroy a Bradley or Humvee any amount of body armor is not going to do much anyway and debating the minimal differences in these to armors is really more a political tool than anything else.
I have seen and worn both armors and prefer the Interceptor.
Reply:Neeno is right. Besides, Dragon Skin weighs 50 pounds.
How can you compare 2 things using different standards? I am not saying Dragon Skin is bad, but it is heavy and it does change its properties during extreme temperatures.
NBC did not do the test, by the way. Future Weapons and Mail Call did but the tests were simple and did not consider extreme conditions or angles.
Reply:No. First off, I'm not even convinced if they actually tested the correct vest. Dragon skin weighs in at 47 pounds, yet on the NBC test the lab guy slaps it up like its nothing. Also, they only fired on the vests from the front, where as army testing requires 2 shots to the front, back, and each side. Any failures results in a failed test. Dragon skin failed 13 times, Interceptor (current issue ) 0. NBC also has not released actual data, pictures yes, stunning videos yes, but no data that the NIJ and other governments would accept. No ammo data, testing procedures, where the fired on the vests (Dragon skin does not have its armor equally distributed it varies from 1-3 disks deep.), no nothing. Read my source for the army's testing.
How much does Dragon Skin cost?
What is the price for dragon skin. I just need an estimate.
How much does Dragon Skin cost?
The web site listed below contains the makes and models available. The price list isn't readily available , which usually indicates the stuff is by no means cheap.
From hard experience, ANY vest is a pain to wear for extended periods of time. They reduce the body's usual methods of heat dissipation, which only adds to the problems.
The only time one will appreciate the vest? When the vest does its job, which means that one didn't duck fast enough!
wsulliva
Reply:$5000 for the medium priced dragon skin vest.
Reply:Well on World of Warcraft it costs a good deal of gold. Might be a little more pricey out here in the real world...
Reply:its not available right now to the public..about 5000 if you could get it
How much does Dragon Skin cost?
The web site listed below contains the makes and models available. The price list isn't readily available , which usually indicates the stuff is by no means cheap.
From hard experience, ANY vest is a pain to wear for extended periods of time. They reduce the body's usual methods of heat dissipation, which only adds to the problems.
The only time one will appreciate the vest? When the vest does its job, which means that one didn't duck fast enough!
wsulliva
Reply:$5000 for the medium priced dragon skin vest.
Reply:Well on World of Warcraft it costs a good deal of gold. Might be a little more pricey out here in the real world...
Reply:its not available right now to the public..about 5000 if you could get it
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